Thursday, August 14, 2008

Dave Schuler does the impossible.

He actually gives me a reason to consider voting for Obama.

16 comments:

Pastor_Jeff said...

Better the devil you know ... ?

Icepick said...

Maybe, but I'm tired of the devil I know.

Pastor_Jeff said...

What in the world else is driving up Obama's stock, if not the Scylla of the Bushes and the Charybdis of the Clintons?

Just remember that new devils count on your disgust with the old ones. It's what gets them elected.

I'm not opposed to new politicians. I'm glad that there's not a Bush or Clinton on the ticket. But this particular new guy? No thanks -- especially not with his messianic cult and boundless narcissism. That's a whole other league from the Clintons, and a lot scarier.

AnastasiaBeaverhausen said...

I'm not opposed to new politicians. I'm glad that there's not a Bush or Clinton on the ticket. But this particular new guy? No thanks -- especially not with his messianic cult and boundless narcissism. That's a whole other league from the Clintons, and a lot scarier.

"Pastor" Jeff - where do you get this stuff. Why the hate - what narcissism, where the messianic cult? What happened to openmindedness and opportunity. Aren't you all a bit "elitist" with your commentary?

AnastasiaBeaverhausen said...

Outis said...
Maybe, but I'm tired of the devil I know.

I AM definitely tired of the SSDD - I want something new and exciting and DIFFERENT! Obama is definitely that!

Pastor_Jeff said...

"Anastasia,"

I don't hate Obama, and I'm at a bit of a loss to figure out how you decided that I do.

It seems pretty obvious that there is a strong messianic and narcissistic component to his campaign and his vision of himself -- America is practically in ruins, but Obama will lead us to heal the planet and lower ocean levels. He talks about himself as a symbol of what is best about America. Obama's wife is proud of America for the first time because of her husband's electoral success. And any criticism of Obama is taken as evidence of cynicism, hopelessness, racism or ... hatred.

And you don't have a problem with that?

We're electing a President, not a Savior. Whether he wins or not, I'm concerned about what will happen when he either cannot or is not given the chance to deliver on his ridiculously impossible rhetoric.

AnastasiaBeaverhausen said...

Pastor Jeff

You still do not explain where you get this "messianic cult/narcissism" from. I'm not gaga over the guy, I supported Hillary because I really believe she was the right candidate, not because of anything he did or said. There may be a few reporters and "Obamamaniacs" out there, but they do not represent the majority, but they seem to be the ones getting all the press. But what I dislike about all of this is the hypocracy - elitists calling Obama an elitist - that just cracks me up.

All I know is, McCain has been in congress 27 years and all he has done is get rich...he is the same politics as usual and panders to whatever group he is in front of. Technically all politicians do that. But Obama is "smart" in the right way, unlike George W Pinhead, he surrounds himself with the people from both parties who will agree to disagree and who are also tired of the SSDD - they want to make the move into dealing with a new world while making America stronger again. That is why we all should support him. I want to see bipartisans working on the big issues, not all these Karl Rove Nazis picking at the small things that distract from the real problems.

Icepick said...

All I know is, McCain has been in congress 27 years and all he has done is get rich...he is the same politics as usual and panders to whatever group he is in front of.

He did that by marrying well. OTOH, Obama got rich working as a "community organizer".

AnastasiaBeaverhausen said...

Outis said...
All I know is, McCain has been in congress 27 years and all he has done is get rich...he is the same politics as usual and panders to whatever group he is in front of.

He did that by marrying well. OTOH, Obama got rich working as a "community organizer".

McCain married the woman he was cheating on his first wife with, who was from a rich family and had a job but lost it when she was arrested (actually more than once) for stealing drugs. Both of them are alcoholics/drug addicts. McCain's first wife, Carol, put up with his cheating and drinking before he went to war and waited patiently while he was a prisoner of war and nursed him back to health - his payback to her after she had a near fatal car wreck was to cheat on her with Cindy Plastic Surgery Stepford Trophy Stiff Wife 2 - this goes to his character which is majorly flawed.
Obama became a community organizer while teaching Constitutional Law at the University of Chicago and made money from a book he wrote. The Obamas have a middle-class background, not a privledged wealthy one. Calling him elitist is unfair...he is different and there is nothing wrong with being different!

Pastor_Jeff said...

There may be a few reporters and "Obamamaniacs" out there, but they do not represent the majority,

Nice try, but I was using Obama's own statements. This is what the guy says about himself.

The man clearly has a ridiculously outsized belief in his importance and abilities, especially compared to how little there is to back it up. He has no accomplishments, certainly none which would qualify him for the Presidency. He was editor of Harvard Law Review but never wrote an article. He voted "present" in the IL Senate as many times as he voted yes or no. The one thing he actually did -- the Chicago Annenberg Challenge -- produced no measurable improvement in school or student performance after four years (of working with an unrepentant domestic terrorist, no less) but we're not allowed to see the records of the group's work. There's a new kind of politics for you!

The guy gives nice speeches, I'll give him that. So where do people get the idea he's some transformative politician who's going to change the way Washington works? Mainly from Obama himself. The guy's a flake.


he surrounds himself with the people from both parties who will agree to disagree and who are also tired of the SSDD

This is laughable. When has Obama made any effort to reach across the aisle and build bipartisan support for anything that matters? At Saddleback, the buy admitted that Scalia is a brilliant jurist and well qualified to sit on the Supreme Court, but still said he wouldn't have put him there. That's the definition of SSDD -- packing the Court with people who will give you decisions you like.

Don't kid yourself that Obama is some different kind of politician. He's a politician. He lies easily and shamelessly about his background, his associations, and his voting record. He throws around baseless accusations of racism at people who dare to question him. The only thing different about Obama is that he's from the party that doesn't currently control the White House. If that's the "change" you're looking for, then Obama is qualified. It's about the only qualification he has.

AnastasiaBeaverhausen said...

Pastor Jeff

Vote for McCain, who today can't remember how many houses he owns - that's houses HE OWNS. While working people like me still rent because houses where I live have been greatly overinflated and greedy Republicans have gotten richer and richer under the evil bastards Reagan and Bush (both of them!). Unfortunatly, the American Idiots who can't read, write or know anything that really goes on in the world continue to vote for these bottom feeders - maybe its time for a revolution - Viva La Revolution!

Pastor_Jeff said...

maybe its time for a revolution - Viva La Revolution!

Before you man the barricades, it might be worth remembering that few revolutions have made things better for people. You're hoping for an American Revolution, I suppose. But what if you get a Russian, Chinese, or French one?

Can you tell me exactly what despotic tyranny needs to be overthrown in the US? And what does that have to do with Obama? The guy's a politician, and a run-of-the-mill sleazy Chicago pol, at that. He's your revolutionary hero? And you want to overthrow the government because of high home prices? But it's the illiterate "idiots" who will vote for McCain.

Stay classy, Anastasia.

Icepick said...

The housing bubble started in earnest when Clinton & the Congress started pressuring the mortgage industry to make riskier loans so that we could have an "ownership society. These policies were continued under Presidents of both parties and Congress3es of both parties. The problem isn't Republicans, it's pandering politicians and the public that refuses to see through the charade.

Pastor_Jeff said...

And unfortunately, pandering, dishonesty, and special interest power aren't going away -- no matter who gets elected. It's a choice of the lesser of evils.

But that's pretty much every election.

AnastasiaBeaverhausen said...

I was talking about a new "American" Revolution - in no way do I want to see a Russian or Chinese revolution...and as far as the French go - well, I'll keep my opinion to myself.
Obama as a revolutionary hero, no, not to me. I was thinking more of Warren Buffett...he's my new hero!
BTW Pastor Jeff - I'm always classy :-D

AnastasiaBeaverhausen said...

Outis said...
The housing bubble started in earnest when Clinton & the Congress started pressuring the mortgage industry to make riskier loans so that we could have an "ownership society. These policies were continued under Presidents of both parties and Congress3es of both parties. The problem isn't Republicans, it's pandering politicians and the public that refuses to see through the charade.

Very true Outis, but also the Bush admins too (both 41 & 43) wanted to see more Americans with home ownership...nothing wrong with that except they all let the rules go by the wayside and when they did - some people who should have NEVER been given loans were - now we are seeing the effects of all that. It makes me mad because I am now in a position to buy a home but there is nothing in my price range where I live, the prices are overinflated and foreclosed homes have too much damage to them to be salvagable. Someone burned their home down just yesterday so no one could have it...sad sad sad.